Two Ordinary Cops

A routine welfare check can become a life-or-death situation in an instant—and this week we discuss the tragic shooting of Queensland Police Constable Jordan May and the extraordinary courage shown by Senior Constable Ash Drummond in bringing his injured colleague to safety.
Drawing on our own frontline policing experience, we explore why no police job is ever truly "routine", the importance of realistic firearms training, and the split-second decisions officers are forced to make under extreme pressure. We also discuss why the public should always follow police directions during critical incidents, and how limited information can quickly turn an ordinary call into a fight for survival.
As always, we recognise those who go above and beyond, with our Sauce of the Week awarded to two officers who demonstrated exceptional courage and commitment in the face of danger.
This episode is a tribute to the bravery of our frontline police and a reminder that behind every emergency call is an unpredictable reality few people ever see.

What happens when police officers from opposite sides of the world sit down and compare notes? As it turns out, far more is shared than separates them.
This week, Schultzy and Damo welcome Inspector Ben Dimmock from Bedfordshire Police in the United Kingdom for the Two Ordinary Cops' first international guest interview. With more than 24 years of policing experience, Ben shares his remarkable career journey, from frontline response and detective work to counter-terrorism, offender management and now leading one of the UK's largest police wellbeing teams.
The conversation explores the universal realities of modern policing, including leadership, mentoring young officers, public scrutiny, social media, officer wellbeing and the psychological toll of the job. Together, they compare policing in the UK and Australia, discussing the challenges of recruiting the next generation, supporting officers through trauma, building psychologically safe workplaces and why good leadership is essential to keeping experienced police on the frontline.
Despite the different uniforms, accents and countries, one thing becomes clear—policing is policing. This is an honest, insightful and thought-provoking conversation about the people behind the badge and why looking after those who protect our communities has never been more important.

When Queensland Police Dog Squad Officer in Charge Joel Davidson first joined the police at just 19 years old, he never imagined the journey ahead. From proactively hunting offenders on the streets of Toowoomba to leading the Mount Isa Dog Squad, Joel shares what it really takes to become a police dog handler, how these remarkable dogs save lives, and why they're one of policing's most valuable resources.
But this episode goes far beyond tracking offenders.
Joel opens up about the devastating losses that have shaped his life, including the death of his brother, the impact of Brett Forte's murder, and the unimaginable heartbreak of losing his young son, Ollie. With remarkable honesty, he explains how tragedy changed his outlook on policing, leadership, fatherhood and life itself.
This is a powerful conversation about resilience, mateship, purpose and the importance of looking after those around us. It's an episode that will leave you with a greater appreciation for the people behind the badge, the extraordinary bond between a handler and their police dog, and the strength it takes to keep moving forward when life delivers its toughest blows.
If you've ever wondered what it takes to become a police dog handler—or how someone can turn unimaginable grief into a mission to help others—this is an episode you won't want to miss.

In Episode 131, Schultzy and Damo tackle one of the biggest questions facing modern policing: at what point does doing your job become a crime?
Using the recent conviction of NSW Police Sergeant Ben Bryant as the catalyst, they explore personal responsibility, accountability, police pursuits, youth offending, sentencing, and whether the justice system is shifting responsibility away from offenders and onto the very people tasked with protecting the community.
The conversation also revisits a Northern Territory tradition with a look back at Cracker Night, discussing freedom, risk, and where personal responsibility should begin and end. Along the way, the boys share stories from their own policing careers, debate the role of the courts, and ask whether current policies are giving frontline officers the confidence to do the job the public expects of them.
To finish on a positive note, the inaugural Extra Sauce on the Burger Award is presented to a deserving police officer who has gone above and beyond for both his community and his colleagues.
As always, this episode is built on the boys' own experiences and opinions, with the aim of encouraging respectful discussion around policing, justice, leadership and community safety.

Before Two Ordinary Cops ever had a name, one of the titles we seriously considered was The Real Northern Territory. It only seems fitting that 130 episodes later, we finally tell that story.
The Northern Territory is unlike anywhere else in Australia. It's a place of breathtaking landscapes, unforgettable characters, incredible mateship, and communities that leave a lasting mark on everyone who spends time there. But it's also a place that has faced its share of challenges, many of which rarely make the headlines with the full story behind them.
In this episode, Schultzy and Damo take you on a journey from Darwin to Katherine, Tennant Creek, Alice Springs and some of the Territory's most remote communities. They share the places they loved, the people they'll never forget, the humour that got them through the toughest days, and the realities of living and policing in Australia's last frontier.
This isn't a policing episode—it's a conversation about a place that shaped who they are. Whether you've lived in the Territory, visited once, or have always wondered what life is really like beyond the headlines, this episode offers an honest, heartfelt and often hilarious look at one of Australia's most unique places.
If you've ever wanted to know what the real Northern Territory is all about, this is the episode for you.

The conversation around Australia's Special Forces has never been more relevant.
After watching the powerful documentary Bravery and Betrayal, Schultzy and Damo take an honest look at the extraordinary courage of the men who served in Afghanistan, the sacrifices made by their families, and the toll that service takes long after the fighting ends.
From daily combat operations and impossible decisions to the loyalty between mates, military working dogs, and the support of families back home, this episode explores what it truly means to serve at the highest level.
The boys also discuss the importance of fair investigations, leadership under pressure, and why those who put themselves in harm's way deserve both accountability and unwavering support when the facts are established.
This isn't about politics. It isn't about personalities. It's about recognising those who answered Australia's call, understanding the realities of modern warfare, and asking difficult questions about loyalty, leadership, sacrifice and justice.
Whether you've worn the uniform, know someone who has, or simply want to understand the human stories behind the headlines, this is an episode that will challenge your thinking—and one you won't forget.

In this powerful episode, the boys sit down with Queensland policing legend Keith Banks. From working deep undercover and helping build Queensland’s early tactical policing capability, to facing some of the most confronting moments of his career, Keith shares the lessons that shaped his life both in and out of uniform.
Drawing on experiences from his books and years on the frontline, Keith reflects on the loss of fellow officer Peter Kidd, the impact of PTSD, alcohol abuse, organisational trauma, and the remarkable MLC siege negotiation that remains one of the proudest moments of his career.
The conversation also explores the changing face of police leadership, the importance of looking after your people, and the lasting impact that both good and bad leadership can have on those serving on the frontline.
More than just policing stories, this is an honest conversation about courage, leadership, resilience, and the hidden toll that policing can take on those who serve.

In this special episode, Schultzy's partner, Miriam Leask, joins the podcast to share her firsthand account of living through the devastating Christchurch earthquakes. From the terrifying moments when the earth shook beneath her feet to the long road of recovery that followed, Miriam provides a powerful and emotional insight into one of New Zealand's darkest chapters.
Miriam reflects on the incredible support provided by police, emergency services, military personnel, and disaster response teams from across Australia and New Zealand, offering a heartfelt thank you to those who helped Christchurch when it needed it most.
The conversation then shifts to a different perspective on policing—the view from the partner of a former police officer. Miriam shares what she's observed over the past nine years with Schultzy, including the lasting effects of the job, hypervigilance, life after policing, and a few stories that prove you can take the cop out of the police force, but you can't always take the police force out of the cop.
A thoughtful, emotional, and at times hilarious episode about resilience, recovery, service, and the people who stand beside those who wear the badge.
 

This week, Schultzy and Damo reflect on their experience at the Queensland Police Union Council Conference and the incredible people they met along the way. From frontline coppers and union representatives to those who continue to serve despite significant personal challenges, this episode is a reminder of the strength, resilience and camaraderie that exists within the policing family.
The boys share stories from behind the scenes of the conference, discuss why police from every corner of Australia instantly connect through shared experience, and give a well-deserved shout-out to the outstanding men and women who dedicate themselves to looking after others. They also highlight the importance of police welfare, mental health support, and the positive impact initiatives like Cop Care are having on serving and retired members.
Along the way, there are plenty of laughs, a tribute to those we've lost, recognition of officers doing it tough with remarkable outlooks on life, and one of the best Cartonable Offences we've heard in a long time involving OC spray and a very unfortunate place to carry it.
A heartfelt episode about mateship, resilience, and why the blue family remains one of the strongest communities you'll ever be part of.
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In this special live episode, Schultzy and Damo take the stage at the Queensland Police Union Council Conference to share their experiences from policing in some of the toughest and most remote parts of Australia.
The boys discuss the lasting impact of the Zach Rolfe case on Northern Territory policing, the importance of strong leadership, mateship, and looking after your people, and the challenges many officers face both during and after their careers. They also explore life after the badge, the realities of PTSD, and why finding your tribe is so important once you leave the job.
Of course, it wouldn't be a Two Ordinary Cops episode without a few laughs along the way, with plenty of wild Northern Territory stories, policing mishaps, and the sort of humour only cops can truly appreciate.
This is an honest, raw, and often funny conversation about policing, resilience, camaraderie, and why first responders need to keep talking about the things that matter.
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